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[讨论] 内存压缩功能 [复制链接]

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发表于 2020-9-22 19:58:27 IP属地广东 来自手机 |显示全部楼层
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内存压缩功能,开着好?还是关了好?

2012以后回地球看看

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发表于 2020-9-22 20:01:40 IP属地广东 |显示全部楼层
压缩意味着运算,增加负担。

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hugarninwow 发表于 2020-9-22 20:01
压缩意味着运算,增加负担。

个人觉得,电脑内存大的话,不用压缩!内存小到不能满足使用,可以试一下!或者干脆加根内存条吧

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问题来了…你们知道,win10 什么版本引进了 内存压缩技术嘛?

1507 1511 1607 1703 1709 1803 1809 1903 1909 2004 ?

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本帖最后由 qq2348227 于 2020-9-22 21:22 编辑

我来公布答案吧~~~
默认开启,可以手动关闭。

这些功能 其实 玩弄老硬件用户的

印度阿Sir 宣传的时候,只说他的好

实际 除了好,还有更多的是:日歪你~搞死你~

我这样搞,是为了你好。

不~这不是我想要的。

这就是你想要的。

类似手法,还有这些:

http://news.mydrivers.com/1/710/710472.htm

http://news.mydrivers.com/1/710/710136.htm

http://news.mydrivers.com/1/711/711830.htm

总之,印度 阿Sir 都是为了我们好。
很多人 认为 LTSB 2016 速度很快,实际 win10 1511 比 win10 1607 快多了。




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yyjpcx  一个没有开网页 ,一个开了网页 测评能再专业点?  发表于 2020-9-23 13:01 IP属地湖北

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楼主CPU强大就没问题

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pikun 发表于 2020-9-22 20:03
个人觉得,电脑内存大的话,不用压缩!内存小到不能满足使用,可以试一下!或者干脆加根内存条吧

不过,貌似Windows10是默认开启的。
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       在机器不差的情况下,保持默认配置或许是最好的选择。     

  Windows 10 专业工作站版 【WIN 10 20H2 ◆ 19042.508


Cent Browser 4.2.10.171 【Chromium 80.0.3987.163】


Intel(R)Core(TM)CPU   【I5-9400F @ 2.90 GHz】

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枫影鱼游  这个说法赞同(个人排除WD,太多***序被干掉了)  发表于 2020-9-22 23:51 IP属地广西

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发表于 2020-9-22 21:17:43 IP属地江苏 |显示全部楼层
查看状态:get-mmagent
我32G内在,默认是打开的。

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INOTON 发表于 2020-9-22 21:17
查看状态:get-mmagent
我32G内在,默认是打开的。

我的~~~
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jkswjksw  32G家用很普通吧,我两年前的8700配的就是32G  发表于 2020-9-23 10:58 IP属地河北
qq2348227  家里的个人电脑啊~而且是默认配置。  发表于 2020-9-23 09:33 IP属地江苏
qq2348227  家里的个人电脑啊~  发表于 2020-9-23 09:32 IP属地江苏
INOTON  你这100%是机房电脑  发表于 2020-9-22 22:52 IP属地江苏

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发表于 2020-9-22 22:21:08 IP属地广西 |显示全部楼层
pikun 发表于 2020-9-22 20:03
个人觉得,电脑内存大的话,不用压缩!内存小到不能满足使用,可以试一下!或者干脆加根内存条吧

通常来说,一台机器的内存大小和CPU的运算能力成正比!最简单的例子,赛扬双核配32G内存;或2G内存配10900。我想这两种机器是不会存在的,所以,结合“压缩意味着运算......”来说大内存机器运算不成问题,小内存机器不可能有不成问题的运算。所以还是pikun说的,加内存比较直接,至于压缩,保持默认,由系统决定。

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现在的处理器都有专用单元解压缩的,对性能影响很小

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qq2348227 发表于 2020-9-22 20:23
我来公布答案吧~~~
默认开启,可以手动关闭。

建议重修Windows Blogs的内容,1511的第一个外发的测试版最重要的功能之一就是全局内存压缩(Win8只是部分appcontainer),以下是Build10525的更新日志:https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2015/08/18/announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-10525/

以下是基础平台产品经理Ethan Creeger的原文:
With the announcement of the Memory compression feature, we have received a lot of queries from the insiders asking for more information. This post tries to go in-depth into the inner working of the Memory Manager and the memory compression engine built within it.
One of the primary goals of any operating system is to manage and share resources efficiently. How well an operating system arbitrates competing memory requirements is particularly important, because it impacts the user’s perception of system responsiveness.
In Windows 10, we enabled the Memory Manager (MM) to compress infrequently-accessed memory pages which reduces the amount of reads and writes to the disk (pagefile) and therefore improves responsiveness. By compressing memory we reduce the amount of memory used per process, allowing the operating system to maintain more applications in physical memory at a time before enacting traditional paging.
When Memory Manager’s policy does dictate paging, the data being written to or read from the disk is already compressed to typically around 40 percent of its original size. This compression improves the performance of other unrelated operations on the system by reducing a major source of interfering IO load. The end result is a snappier, more responsive experience with improved app launch performance and consistency.
Before explaining the Windows 10 changes in detail, I’ll describe some of the fundamental concepts in Windows memory management and give an overview of how it was performed prior to implementing compression.

The first concept is a working set which is the actively-used physical memory of a process. A private working set represents physical memory that is unique to a process. Processes also touch other pages of physical memory that are “shared,” which several processes can reference. When you look at the Processes view in Task Manager, the memory for a specific process is actually its current private working set. Note that for simplicity when I refer to a “working set” in this post, I mean a “private working set.”
Some subset of a process’s working set pages are likely to be used only infrequently, and since memory is a limited resource that needs to be used efficiently, those pages must be reclaimed and made available for use by other processes. When MM decides a page has been inactive for long enough, it puts it on the modified list. An asynchronous process writes pages in the modified list to the pagefile on disk and then - in memory - moves them from the modified list to the standby list. This write happens so that if the memory is reclaimed from the standby list by another process, but the original process comes looking for its page, the data can be retrieved from the pagefile.
However, pages on the standby list haven’t yet been reclaimed, so they retain their data until MM repurposes them for another process’s working set. They can be reused by the app that previously owned them if that app asks for the page before it is reclaimed. This is called a soft fault. But if a page has been repurposed, and the original process asks MM for that page, a hard fault occurs. The original process is now asking for memory that has been taken by another process, and the OS must issue disk read IO to retrieve it.
As explained earlier, MM, when faced with memory pressure, determines which pages should be moved to the modified list. This is called trimming. But Windows 8 added the ability for Universal Windows Platform (UWP) applications to be swapped out in their entirety - i.e. at app rather than at page granularity. This is done because UWP apps are suspended when not in the foreground meaning they won’t be running until the user switches back them. No page will be touched until the app is brought back in its entirety, so it’s safe to swap out the whole application. The disk IO required to swap the application back in is then entirely sequential reads, which are dramatically faster than random reads. For more information about the swapping of UWP apps in Windows 8 MM, see this blog post by Bill Karagounis.
Windows 10 introduces a layer between the pagefile and normal paging activity which allows for the compression of all pages moved to the modified list. This means that when MM feels memory pressure, it will compress unused pages instead of writing them to disk. MM now only performs disk IO when compression isn’t enough to relieve memory pressure. Using this strategy, fewer disk operations are required since - thanks to compression - more data can be stored in memory than before.

This is achieved by using a concept called a compression store, which is an in-memory collection of compressed pages. There’s a single system store for legacy Windows desktop apps or any other non-UWP app memory usage, and then one store for each Windows Runtime app (in order to enable trimming and swapping accordingly). Instead of writing pages in the modified list to the pagefile, MM compresses them and places them in the appropriate store.
The stores live in the system process’s working set. Note that in the diagram above we’ve displayed the System Working Set separately from the other Working Sets for formatting reasons, but the System Working Set is a working set like any other. Though perhaps counterintuitive at first glance, since the system process holds the stores in memory, its working set grows larger exactly when memory is being made available to other processes. This is visible in the task manager.
Each store manages fragmentation by compacting itself when necessary to ensure a good compression ratio. In practice, compressed memory takes up about 40% of the uncompressed size, and as a result on a typical device running a typical workload, Windows 10 writes pages out to disk only 50% as often as previous versions of the OS did. This will reduce the amount of time spent waiting for IO on all devices, but it will also improve the expected lifespan of systems featuring flash-based hard drives.
Though compression affords the OS more space in memory for a given application load, paging to disk may still be necessary. In Windows 10, this works by moving pages from the stores in the system process to the modified list. If pages come to the modified list from the system process stores, MM knows they’ve already been compressed and are ready to be written to the pagefile. The writes to disk will be smaller since the pages are necessarily compressed, i.e. the only pages MM will write to disk are ones which have been compressed and stashed in a store in the system process.
So now let’s talk about how a process gets its data back either from a compression store or from the pagefile on disk. In the former case where a process faults on a page which is currently in a compressed store, MM simply decompresses the page and puts it back in the requesting process’s working set - a soft compression fault. But in the latter case, MM tries the former and finds that the compressed data for the page is not in memory. The system process working set then hard faults on the compressed data for the page and MM reads it back in from disk. Decompression and adding to the faulting process’s working set follow.
Decompression is a highly parallelizable operation, so Windows can be efficient when moving multiple pages at once. Because of that, swapping UWP applications (as opposed to trimming) performs particularly well. But it’s not just the decompression: Windows combines that parallelizability with the sequential reads designed into the swapping procedure to read pages into memory extremely quickly; it reads a block at a time, and, while waiting for the next IO operation to complete, it’s simultaneously decompressing the data it just read in parallel using multiple CPUs. Where before a platform might have felt sluggish due to the transfer rate of its disk, running Windows 10 the same hardware appears much more responsive.
In summary, Memory compression allows Windows 10 to make better use of available memory on all systems by reducing physical memory utilization, resulting in fewer pagefile IO operations and a reduced reliance on disk. Furthermore, it improves the speed of writing to and reading from disk when MM determines paging must be enacted. In sum, we expect users to experience improved overall responsiveness and usability on all devices running Windows 10.

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蓝牙童梦  Windows Blogs是微软公开发行Windows消息的官方指定日志区域,到你这儿就是个人博客了?那么Microsoft Docs是什么,是一个员工某次开会无聊在Word文档里写的随笔??  发表于 2020-9-23 08:52 IP属地浙江
qq2348227  我们这样理解一下:这个微软的开发者只是 微软团队的一个 码农,这是他个人的 blog ,此人 好大喜功(跟我一样),知道一点消息、风声,就 BBB~ 我们要:听其言观其行(就是看实际的win10 压缩内存机能的落地)  发表于 2020-9-23 02:04 IP属地江苏

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蓝牙童梦 发表于 2020-9-23 00:00
建议重修Windows Blogs的内容,1511的第一个外发的测试版最重要的功能之一就是全局内存压缩(Win8只是部分 ...

这个我知道啊

我只不过不想 解释的那么详细

win10 1511 在系统进程里面 有 “压缩内存”进程,但是,实际上,在 1511上 没有生效、没有落地。
我不是 贴图了嘛

是默认win10 1511 配置

1607 也是默认配置,但压缩内存生效了。

你要信我,不要信这个文章。

微软里面 也有小白的。

补 上面 3张图的 对应 3张图

退一万步说,我觉得 1511 里面的 “内存压缩” 是非常 “良性”的。只有到达一定阈值才触发。

而 1607 里面 “内存压缩” 瞎J 8 触发。以至出现 两极分化情况。锦上添花 与 雪中送屎。

也就是:好的更好,差的更差。老、破、小、孱弱硬件 越发的感觉到力不从心。

“内存压缩” 应该理解成:不同的硬件 对应 这种 “内存压缩”机制,有着不同的走向。

压缩 与 解压缩 都需要耗费 cpu 资源。 本来就孱弱的 cpu ,根本吃不消。

但是,强大的cpu ,内存只有 8g 的情况下,有这个机制 应该还是8错的。你不要说 i7 + 1G or 2G 内存的情况。

我的 J1900 破烂 cpu 又是 压缩,又是解压缩,吃不消啊~
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怎么次能到阅读20?

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win7 有这个功能吗?



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qq2348227 发表于 2020-9-23 01:12
这个我知道啊

我只不过不想 解释的那么详细

我3代i5 3230/8g内存笔记本,关了内存压缩用了一个月,也没看到内存占用多了多少!感觉内存压缩这个功能没什么用!

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qq2348227  感觉就是祸害 老硬件的。就是宣传的时候说:这是羊头。实际干的事是:狗肉。  发表于 2020-9-23 09:36 IP属地江苏

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chuanyue 发表于 2020-9-23 07:41
怎么次能到阅读20?

多多回贴,加每天领取任务领1PB,过不了多久就可以了 。
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